Share Share this post on Digg Del. Originally Posted by Le' Christophe. I've seen lab teammates date, here, and sometimes one of the teammates is of a higher qualification phd vs masters, etc.
Not really sure how postdocs in the USA function, though. Are you supervising the student or assessing them in any way, or are you just teammates? Originally Posted by Elswyth. Hm, if your official responsibility is to 'teach' them even if you're not grading them , then it's quite iffy. Can't help you more than that, sorry.
Did you ask the professor of the class yet? That may be a way to get a feel of what the rules are for dating postdocs.
Originally Posted by OpheliaSong. Could you ask the student affairs department? Actually, I just noticed the ironic name, lol. But yes, do ask them. This would be considered inappropriate at my University. If a postdoc was caught doing this, they would be removed from their post. I have heard about a young postdoc dating a student at the Uni; she was then assigned to work with him.
He discreetly met with the department chair and had himself reassigned to keep things on the up-and-up. It's possible your institution has a specific policy prohibiting you from dating the student. Even without such a policy it is at least unwise. There is an obvious disparity in your "rank" you are an employee and in some sense her instructor, and she is a student.
The disparity may not be as great but it essentially the same situation as Pres Clinton and Monica Lewinski. In a purely pragmatic sense this makes for an uneasy environment in the workplace - others will perceive special favors and treatment being exchanged between you two whether it's true or not. There may be legal implications that go beyond this. At the very least, wait until she has a different Lab Supervisor, or else completes her degree and you two are professional peers - and even then, workplace romances are often frowned on.
Your university almost definitely has a policy on it; you just need to ask the right person to find out what the policy is. My undergrad university didn't allow it not to say a lot of people didn't just ignore the rule entirely.
Merit and scientific independence
My grad school does as long as there are no explicit evaluations required from the post doc on the student i. Socially speaking, in my department they wouldn't bat an eye if a post doc started dating a grad student, but most people would think it was inappropriate to date an undergrad. I imagine that's similar in most US institutions. I did it I was a first-year grad student, he was only a more senior grad student. He did not take the breakup well. Every time I'd look up from my bench I'd see him sneering at me, saying rude things about me, trying to hit on sales reps in front of me good luck, dude , etc.
He'd ask vicious questions when I presented in lab meetings. Whether married or just dating, scientist couples need to be aware of several potential pitfalls, such as workplace gossip, conflicts of interest, and breaches of trust. Some laboratory couples may be inclined to keep their romance a secret, especially at first. But whether your relationship is public knowledge in the lab or kept private, it's important to remain discreet and professional.
Occasional, subtle acknowledgement of your special status may be OK, but you need to keep it on low boil.
You may be a couple at home, but in the lab you're colleagues. One issue that can be especially damaging to young scientists is the perception by peers that career success is a result of a relationship and not scientific achievements. The risk is especially large when one of the two scientists is more senior, or when the two scientists are hired as a couple—a phenomenon that is particularly common in the United States.
Couple hiring across all disciplines in 13 leading U. Regardless of the merits of the practice, it can be tough going for the less accomplished scientist in a faculty pair. Sometimes, people "do not view the second person in the couple as a true faculty member, but merely as an appendage," Simmons says.
Her husband, Andrew Goudie, who is 14 years her senior and worked in the same department until he retired—is "hugely well known" in her field, Viles says. This makes it all the more important for couples to make sure that each individual develops—and gets to be seen—as a successful scientist in his or her own right.
InBabyAttachMode: Is it okay to have a relationship in the lab?
Of course, the first and most crucial step is to build an independent research portfolio and strong credentials. Viles carved her own niche by developing separate research interests, skills, and networks of colleagues and collaborators. Making yourself visible at seminars by asking questions and joining committees can also help, Simmons says. Even when both are established, each member of a scientist couple that works closely together should "always keep a project or paper of their own going," Terrie Moffitt writes.
Moffitt and her husband, Avshalom Caspi, run a lab together at Duke University in Durham, North Carolina, investigating mental health and human development. Both hold named research chairs. Having a project of your own, Moffitt says, "demonstrates to everyone, most vitally yourself, that you are not wholly dependent on your partner for ideas.
Scientist couples need to be aware of the potential for engaging in—or being perceived as engaging in—conflicts of interest. Similarly, the senior member should not supervise a partner's thesis or grade their assignments.
Love in the Lab
Such examples are fairly clear—but "there are plenty of less clear-cut situations," Martin says. In such cases—as in many cases where conflicts of interest may be perceived—disclosure is a powerful tool. Also, scientists who are concerned about maintaining a relationship at work should discuss any potentially fraught issues with "people who are independent, principled, and wise, such as a friend, a counselor, or an ethics adviser," Martin says.
Martin gives the hypothetical example of a senior person who uses their charisma, stature, and reputation to seduce—then reject—a junior staff member. When the relationship ends unsatisfactorily, the subordinate realizes that the senior person has used status and resources to his or her advantage. Students—particularly younger students—are especially vulnerable, so some institutions, including Yale University , have barred faculty from sexual relationships with undergraduates.
However, the impact of such policies may be limited. In a survey of U.